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A recovering psychiatrist talks about Suboxone, treatment for opiate dependence and chronic pain. Includes questions and answers with addicts and patients on Suboxone.
Jeffrey T Junig MD PhD

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Withdrawal in newborns: Lay off the guilt trip!!

2/1/2010 5:42:36 PM

I will share some thoughts that I left at a discussion at a 'linked in' group about addiction.  I was responding to someone who was equating addiction and physical dependence in a baby born to an opiate-addicted mother.  My feeling is that such women are given way too much of an attitude by the nurses and others who care for them, and that was the motivation behind my response.  Read on:

There are many differences between physiological dependence and addiction to substances. For example, people who take effexor are dependent– and will have significant discontinuation-emergent side effects– but they are not ‘addicted', which consists of a mental obsession for a substance. The same is true of beta-blockes, in that discontinuation results in rebound hypertension, but there is no craving for propranololol when it is stopped abruptly.

We have no idea of the 'cravings' experienced by a newborn, but I cannot imagine a newborn having the cortical connections required to experience anything akin to the 'cravings' experienced by opiate addicts, which consist of memories of using and positive reinforcement of behavior—things that are NOT part of the experience 'in utero'.
It is also important to realize that the withdrawal experienced by addicts consists of little actual 'pain' (I've been there—I know). Addicts talk about this subject often, as in 'why do we hate withdrawal so much?' It is not physical pain, but rather the discomfort of involuntary movements of the limbs , depression, and very severe shame and guilt. The NORMAL newborn already HAS such involuntary movements as the result of incomplete myelination of spinal nerve tracts and immature basal ganglia and cerebellar function in the brain. And the worst part of withdrawal—the shame and guilt and hopelessness—are not experienced in the same degree in a baby who has no understanding of the stigma of addiction!

Finally, if we look at the 'misery' experienced by a newborn, we should compare it to the misery experienced by being a newborn in general. I doubt it feels good to have one's head squeezed so hard that it changes shape—yet nobody gets real excited about THAT discomfort—at least not from the baby's perspective! I also doubt it feels good to have one's head squeezed by a pair of forceps, and then be pulled by the head through the birth canal! Many hospitals still do circumcisions without local, instead just tying down the limbs and cutting. Babies having surgery for pyloric stenosis are often intubated 'awake', as the standard of care– which anyone who understands intubation knows is not a pleasant experience. And up until a couple decades ago—i.e. the 1980s (!), babies had surgery on the heart, including splitting open the sternum or breaking ribs, with a paralytic agent only, as the belief was that a baby with a heart defect wouldn't tolerate narcotics or anesthetic. I don't like making a baby experience the heightened autonomic activity that can be associated with abstinence syndrome, but compared to other elements of the birth experience, I know which I would choose!

My points are twofold, and are not intended to encourage more births of physiogically-dependent babies. But everyone in the field should be aware of the very clear difference between physiological dependence and addiction, as the difference is a basic principle that is not a matter of opinion—but rather the need to get one's definitions right. Second, the cycle of addiction and shame has been well established, and there is already plenty of shame inside of most addicted mothers. If there are ten babies screaming loudly, only the whimper from the 'addict baby' elicits the 'tsk tsk' of the nurses and breast feeding consultants. My first child was born to a healthy mom years before my own opiate dependence, and he never took to breast feeding; he his mother been an addict, his trouble surely would have been blamed on 'addiction' or 'withdrawal'. Unfortunately even medical people see what they want to see—and sometimes that view needs to be checked for bias due to undeserved stigma—for EVERYONE'S good, baby included.

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Buprenorphine, methadone, and testerone

1/31/2010 11:33:30 AM

A member at the buprenorphine forum wrote about his own health issues including hormonal imbalances, prompting me to do a literature search on buprenorphine and testosterone.    I found a couple interesting studies and invite people to visit the forum and read about them, and comment if you wish.  To find the comment thread, just go to the bottom of the first page and the ‘index' will list the new topics.

Oh– and please consider signing up while you are there.  Feel free to use an alias to maintain confidentiality.  Our numbers are growing, and the forum is open for anyone– including friends and family members of opiate addicts, or even people who only have an interest in the topic of opiate dependence.  We ask only one thing– that those who are looking to debate whether or not buprenorphine maintenance is ‘good' or ‘bad' take it outside.  Addicts have enough shame to digest already, and this is one place where the need for chronic treatment is a given.

JJ

A quick addendum– a reader had trouble finding the articles– they are at this link.

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Urine drug testing for buprenorphine (in Suboxone)

1/29/2010 5:58:56 PM

I will introduce this topic by typing my response to a reader who asked whether buprenorphine, the active ingredient in Suboxone, shows up in urine drug tests.  More specifically he asked whether companies have the ability to test for buprenorphine.  I will end the post with a question… so please stick around to the end!

Suboxone drug test

Typical 10-panel urine dipstick test

There are tests out there—multi-panel dipstick tests– that react ‘positive' to Suboxone in the opiate panel.  Or at least there used to be;  I used to see that reaction with a brand  of tests I no longer remember, that I used several years ago.  For the past couple years, every dipstick brand that I have purchased has responded ‘negative' to buprenorphine (or naloxone for that matter) as an 'opiate,' and positive in the ‘buprenorphine' column (i.e. so I know that the urine truly contained buprenorphine).  I pay more for dipstick tests that have a separate panel for buprenorphine, but yes, that test is available if a company wants it.  From what I have heard from owners of companies or from people privy to the inner workings of companies, some businesses will do a dipstick first, and then send only positive samples to a lab for more formal testing in case a firing is challenged in court.  They do the dipstick first because it is MUCH cheaper-  $5 for a dipstick test, and several hundred for a laboratory test for several substances.  It costs more for each test at the lab, so companies will only have the lab test for the substance of concern.

I assume that it comes down to the attitude of the company, but there may be issues that I am not aware of.  I assume that some HR folks know what bupe is, and deliberately choose not to test for it, believing that it is a medication in most cases and not a drug of abuse.  I'm sure there is a company somewhere that tests for bupe to catch any sign of even 'prior' addiction, but that has not been the experience of the people who have written to me.  I have not heard from anyone who tested positive for buprenorphine in a random test—but I will put the question on my blog and see what comes up!

So there is my question:  has anyone tested positive for buprenorphine in the workplace?  Has anyone tested negative who takes buprenorphine? Please share your responses in the comment section below, so that I will have more than guesses for people who write.  My attitude, for what it is worth, is that your medication list is your own business, providing that the medication does not influence your ability to perform your job.  But I realize that the answer to the question can be complicated.  For example, I was first treated for opiate dependence in 1993, and was completely ‘clean and sober' for many years, active in 12-step Recovery and regularly attending meetings.  Every two years I received a re-appointment packet at the hospital where I worked, and one question was ‘Do you have a chronic illness that affects your ability to care for patients?'  I knew what the question was getting at— but to my way of thinking, as a person who had been clean for several years and who was never planning on using again, the correct answer was clearly ‘no, I had no illness that affected my care of patients.'   But when I relapsed in the year 2000 the hospital made much of my answers to that question, reporting to the Board that among my other (much more significant) transgressions, I lied on my re-appointment packets.  I was going to defend myself by saying ‘it depends on what the meaning of ‘is' is…'  but someone else used that excuse before I could use it!!

The problem people face with workplace drug testing– at least something that would be considered a problem for those sympathetic to people on buprenorphine– is that people are often asked to provide a list of the medications they are taking BEFORE the test.  If not for that question, they could go take the test and explain themselves in the event of a positive result.  But if asked about medications beforehand, the worker must decide whether to disclose a history of addiction to an employer who may be overly judgmental, or keep the medication use private and risk being accused of lying.

To those who are going to write that ‘taking buprenorphine is impairing a person and therefore the person must put the info out there,' I will say in advance that my patients on buprenorphine, who take the medication properly, are NOT impaired by any definition of the word.  They are completely tolerant to the mu receptor effects and are getting no ‘opiate effect' from the medication.  I will also point out the double standard applied to addiction.  A person with a history of epilepsy is at risk for losing consciousness while operating a crane from a seizure.  A person with diabetes is at risk for the same from a hypoglycemic reaction.  Someone with heart diseast could drop dead of a lethal arrhythmia while driving a school bus filled with children.  Should opiate addicts who are doing the ‘right thing' and keeping their addiction in remission be forever identified as ‘addicts' to employers?

As always, thanks for your comments;  please also be sure to join the forum if you have not already.  You will note that when leaving a comment, it will take a day or so to get read and approved;  I do that because there are people who have nothing better to do, apparently, than respond that I am ‘a little bitch' or call me some other name– for reasons that are not always entirely clear!   When I read such comments I always get a mental image of Mr T. saying ‘I pity the fool!'  (then I think of the scene in Pee Wee Herman's Big Adventure where Mr. T. says ‘I pity the fool… who doesn't eat my cereal!)  I guess you really have to be there.

SD

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Are you ANXIOUS? Are you SURE?

12/27/2009 8:17:06 PM

I've been posting more lately, but I'm hoping to slow down by the end of the holidays to let everyone catch up.   I've also mentioned ‘my book' several times in the past year, promising to myself and to others deadline that comes and go.  I wish I could take a month and work on it full-time, but I don't see much chance of that happening… so I'll have to just keep chipping away at it.  I can be a perfectionist and everything can be worded just a little better…  I'm the same way some mornings with my electric razor, until  my wife gets sick of watching me ‘make it perfect' and takes the razor from me.  I came across an article the other day that described a form of OCD that involves exactly that behavior– so at least I know the nature of my problem! 

I want to thank those of you who responded to the ‘here to help' post, and please, if anyone else has had positive or negative experiences with the Here to Help program run by Reckitt-Benckiser,  let me know.  You don't have to report anything ‘profound'– just a general comment or two whether it was helpful, whether you stuck with it, etc.

I have written about benzos a number of times and I still have more to say.  I would hope that everyone is familiar with the danger of respiratory depression when combining benzos and opiates.  Most of the deaths involving buprenorphine that I have reviewed or read about had two things in common.  First, the person took buprenorphine along with a second respiratory depressant– often a benzodiazepine, but alcohol acts at the same receptor sites as benzos and so alcohol has similar dangers.  The other commonality is that the person who died was not ‘tolerant' to high doses of opiates, benzos, or both.    I do not want to say anything that puts addicts at risk, and I am NOT condoning benzo use, particularly the use of medications that are not prescribed by your addiction doc.  Doing so will eventually destroy you– but for the opiate/benzo combination to kill someone quickly generally requires that the person is not tolerant to one or the other chemical.  THIS IS NOT SOMETHING TO RELY ON TO AVOID DEATH!  Did I make myself clear?   Understand that the danger of combining opiates and benzos is not greater than the risk of combining benzos with opiate agonists.  There is nothing ‘more dangerous' about buprenorphine EXCEPT the false sense of safety that users may have about buprenorphine.  But other than that false sense of safety, combining a pure opiate agonist with a benzo is MORE dangerous than combining similar potencies of buprenorphine with the same benzo.

I wanted to get that issue out of the way so that I could get to the main danger for addicts on buprenorphine when taking benzos, i.e the long-term effects on sobriety.  Opiate addicts will become actively addicted to other drugs when opiate addiction is prevented if no efforts are made to change.    I have written about my opinion that 'standard AODA counseling' is not the best fit for many people.  But that does NOT mean that change is not required.   At the very least the addict must find a way to fill the time spent using, and find a way to tolerate the harsh glare of reality when the mind is not constantly occupied with using, coming down, craving, or regretting the use of opiates.   I have had many patiens go through an initial ‘happy honemoon' stage, and several months later struggle with all of the feelings that were being held at bay by preoccupation with opiates.   That preoccupation burns off a great deal of emotional energy, and suddenly our minds have plenty of time to worry about OTHER things!   There is also the fact that many of us used to dull our feelings and our reactions to life's challenges.  So opiate addicts often compain of ‘anxiety' early in buprenorphine maintenance, as they experience unpleasant feelings that should really be considered plain old cravings rather than an anxiety disorder.  I've written about what people say when I ask them to describe their ‘anxiety– they feel edgy, there is nothing to do, they are pacing, restless– they sound more bored than ‘anxious!'   But right now, for the sake of  the argument I will accept that some addicts are having real ‘anxiety.'  This is a big thing to accept, since anxiety is fear, and the people with anxiety are generally not the ones taking on new challenges, but rather tend to be the people who are doing nothing but playing video games all day… so I'm not sure where the ‘fear' is coming from.  But even so– if that person was in residential treatment (before the days of buprenorphine) and complained of anxiety, every counselor would say ‘poor baby…. how HORRIBLE that you feel so ANXIOUS!  And so UNIQUE–  why, nobody has EVER felt like THAT before!!'

Do you get my point?  Sorry to be such an ass about it, but we are dealing with a fatal illness here.  Before buprenorphine, addicts would avoid narcotics after surgery in efforts to avoid risking relapse– now with buprenorphine, some people want to take the easiest way that they can find.  I will tell you straight up– if you are on the verge of finding stability on buprenorphine, you are extremely blessed.  Many people have died before you from opiate dependence, without the opportunity to improve their odds with buprenorphine.  You must do SOME tough things— and one is to learn to deal with life on life's terms.  If you cannot do that, your chances for avoiding using–even with buprenorphine– are low.   Yes, for a time you are going to be ‘anxious', or dysphoric, or whatever you want to call it.  You haven't dealt with life lately, so of course it will be a tough adjustment!  But what do you expect– that you can just be numb and relaxed the whole time, and everything will just fall into place?

People with cancer deal with extreme pain, nausea, surgeries, deformity of body parts…  YOU must deal with your ‘anxiety.'   Why?  It is hard to explain to people who have not been through residential treatment, where a person at least learns some things about what addiction is all about.  Addiction is complicated, and occurs for many reasons– there is not ‘one reason' for being and staying an actively using addict.  One reason relevant to the benzo issue, though, is that addicts become very aware of their own physical discomfort– we become ‘big babies', basically.  Benzos only make this worse;  the addict in early recovery feels uncomfortable about many things, and having a pill to take when things get bad enough only makes the addict look inward even more often to decide whether things are  bad enough to deserve a Klonopin.   Another reason people stay addicted is because of distortions of insight, specifically losing the ability to predict what they will do in the future.  The addict says ‘I will take it only for severe anxiety', but after a few days the addict finds that there is ALWAYS a reason to take another dose of a benzos.  Addicts didn't know life was so tough until benzos became available, when suddenly EVERYTHING seems like a severe situation–  snowed in, new coworker, lost job, getting a new job, a first date, a break-up, an NA meeting… ALL of these things are great reasons for Klonopin!!

Another problem for addicts taking benzos is that when addicts take a benzo for ‘anxiety', they don't focus on the disappearance of their anxiety– they focus on the appearance of the ‘buzz' from the benzo.  ‘Normal' people hate that feeling, and so they find benzos to be too sedating or too impairing.   But addicts LOVE that feeling– any feeling– and so they dose until they feel it– not until the anxiety is gone.  And that extra ‘dosing for feeling,' combined with the fast tolerance  characteristic of benzos, leads to rapid escalation of dose.  And what a surprise– that dose escalation even occurs in people who say 'don't worry doc– I don't plan to raise the dose.'

I realize I'm expressing anger with this post, but hey, I have to express it somewhere!  Part of my anger comes from the repeated behavior of addicts– behaviors that I resent that will always remain within myself as well.  I realize my anger is for the addiction, not for the person suffering from the addiction… but sometimes I am frustrated by the unwillingness of addicts who are at the edge of relapse to 'step up' and face the challenges, and to fight for their lives.  I was also angry at what happened on a TV show this AM as I was getting dressed.   I shouldn't admit this… but I was watching MTV, the show about the teens who became pregnant and had babies, which is now a show about teen moms… and one of the teen moms went to the doctor and complained of her ‘anxiety'.  She is young, bored, stuck at home with a crying baby… and she has ‘anxiety.' Some mornings she ‘just lays in bed and doesn't want to get up.'   What a surprise that she isn't just thrilled to get up every morning!  She sees a doc (who could pass for a beetle if he had the right markings on his back) and the doc prescribes… Klonopin.  The next morning the baby is fussing and the teen mom holds the baby at arms' length, passes him to her BF, and says ‘I have to take my Klonopins.'   A close shot of the bottle shows instructions to take ‘one tab twice per day' (clonazepam has a half-life of about 24 hours, so the level in her body will increase over several days to a high steady-state level).  The next camera shot the next day shows her laying on the couch, yawning, saying that the medication seems to be working.  Her one-yr-old, meanwhile, is… somewhere….  not sure where I left him… 

But at least she isn't ‘anxious'!

I went off on something that I was only going to mention in passing… so I guess I'll finish the story I intended to write in a few days.  I want to write about a couple studies that looked at the cognitive effects of buprenorphine, methadone, and benzos.  Thanks for letting me vent…    good luck returning to work tomorrow for those of us lucky enough to be working, and I hope those who are looking find somethng soon.

JJ

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How dangerous is opiate dependence?

12/25/2009 8:56:51 PM

I frequently point out the lack of outrage over the epidemic of opiate dependence and the consequence of that epidemic.  I live in ‘middle America,' and sometimes it seems that everyone I know has some connection to opiate dependence– a relative who is an addict, a friend who died, a parent who is in prison.  My perceptions are admittedly distorted by the work that I do, but I don't know who has the more accurate perceptions; me or the people who seem surprised to hear that most high school kids know where they could get heroin.  Addicts who I treat who come down from the U.P. of Michigan tell me that heroin is very easy to get up there now, even cheaper than oxycodone.  I guess that's to be expected, given the horrible economic situation up there.  One thing is certain though– SOME people are making money!  In my part of Wisconsin, oxycodone generally sells for 60-80 cents per milligram;  the average user that I see tries to find one or two '80's' per day, ending up with a habit that costs over $100 per day.  Given the number of people actively using, there is a LOT of money going into someone's pockets!  Of course much of the oxycodone on the street is bought by insurance coverage and then stolen from grandma's medicine cabinet by her granddaughter, who replaces them with plain tylenol tablets…  but the herion money is probably leaving town, eventually finding its way back to Chicago.  Sorry, Chicago.  We have to blame SOMEBODY.

Many diseases have prominent celebrities who put on pink ribbons and fight for funding.  Not so for opiate dependence, even though the deaths from opiate dependence must rival those from breast cancer.  I'll have to look at the numbers.  But celebrity opiate addicts tend to end up like Kurt Cobain or Michael Jackson– or slink off to rehab and later proclaim themselves cured.  Anyone who watches knows that there is no cure for opiate dependence, and the celebrity addicts only go back to rehab again as society goes ‘tsk tsk'.  Society doesn't say ‘tsk tsk' when someone's breast cancer comes back.

I found an interesting web site called ‘informationisbeautiful.net' where information about a variety of topics is presented in visual form.  Below I have a couple images from the site using data from the UK on deaths from overdose of a number of substances.  The images are relevant to the current discussion, as he compares the death rates to the reports about deaths due to the substances in the National media.  At the web site he discusses data collection;  I won't make conclusions on the data but rather simply let is provide ‘food for thought.'  After viewing the first image be sure to contine to the next image down.

Opiates have the highest death rate of a range of substances.

In the next image he manipulates the data slightly to add a denominator to the information– he provides the number of deaths per user of the substance.  Again, I will let people truly interested in his findings visit his web site to look into whatever assumptions were made and which data sources were used.  I would like to again leave the data without much comment, in part because I don't really know how to explain the high rate of fatalities among methadone users.  I will point out that use of methadone in the UK may be quite different than in the US, because in the US the medication is prescribed in two ways– as a cheap opiate for chronic pain management, and as a maintenance agent for opiate dependence.  In the latter case, prescriptions for the medication are regulated very closely (actually ‘prescription' is not even the right word, as addicts must personally pick up their dose of methadone each morning for at least the early part of their management by a particular clinic).  I should also point out that Heroin is a pain medication in the UK that is prescribed by physicians (as well as a ‘black market' substance), whereas in the US all Heroin is illegal and cannot be prescribed for ANY indication.  Finally, paracetamol is the Brit's term for acetominophen, or Tylenol.  The graphic:

Methadone deaths per user lead the pack for deaths from substances in the UK.

I do have a couple final comments.  On other blogs or in response to my videos I sometimes come across remarks by people who are ‘anti-suboxone' that ‘the problem with treating addicts with buprenorphine is that you then can't get them off buprenorphine, and you have another problem to deal with'– that the addicts are ‘addicted to buprenorphine.'   I find that argument to be faulty for a couple reasons.  First, 'addiction' is not so much about the taking of the substance as it is about the obsession with the substance.  An addict who is properly treated with buprenorphine loses the obsession for opiates– something that is amazing to witness at the first follow-up appointment, when the addict sometimes cries over how wonderful it is to be freed from the obsession to use.  So I don't see buprenorphine as a ‘replacement', and I don't see the physical dependence on buprenorphine as ‘addiction' any more than people taking effexor or propranolol are ‘addicted' to those medications (which also have withdrawal symtoms of stopped abruptly).   But even beyond that consideration, given the high mortality rate for opiate dependence, when people complain about taking buprenorphine I am always tempted to say ‘compared to what?'   People are DYING from this disease– frankly I don't CARE if they get dependent on buprenorphine.  I am on the record here over and over with my opinion– that buprenorphine should be a long-term medication.  Use it to keep a person alive during his or her 20's, and then worry about tapering off– and if the person cannot taper off, so be it!  It beats death.   And any parent of an addict in his or her 20's knows that a string of 'sober' treatment centers and repeated relapses is NOT a great life… assuming the person even manages to stay alive.  We are left with comparing the two options of taking buprenorphine and living or avoiding it– and likely dying.   A pretty easy choice to make in my opinion.    I have to wonder what the people making arguments about ‘the problem with buprenorphine' think about all of the problems with chemotherapy…   if a person's child develops leukemia, if you treat him with chemotherapy he may end up sterile, and with an increased risk of a different cancer years later.   Would you recommend avoiding using chemotherapy to save his life now?  What's the difference?

As always I am interested in your comments here and over on the forum.  We'll talk again in 2010!

JJ

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